ShillGate – All Statements from the Andy Booth (andyboothsi)

Actually, you will find they are listed by another seller. I moved these domains on. How is this disgraceful? James is bidding because he wants these names (formerly owned by me) at those prices. I am bidding on these names (formerly owned by me), because it’s for a price I would buy it back for, IE for less than I let them go to begin with. It isn’t shill bidding, as evidenced by buying AirplanesforSale.com. Find something better to complain about.
andyboothsi, Tuesday at 12:00 PM

The domains are no longer owned by either Booth. They were sold. There is no discussion here. But if they are going, at no reserve, for competitive prices, we are always interested. I am sure James would concur.
andyboothsi, Tuesday at 12:05 PM

I sold them all very recently. If you do a more up to date whois lookup, you would see ALL domains we are bidding on are no longer with us. As I say, if they’re buyable at a reasonable price, I would take them back. If the new owner wants them listed with no reserve, that’s their risk/responsibility.
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andyboothsi, Tuesday at 12:09 PM

These are not recent Whois lookups. They transferred out of my account. I don’t own them. I have every right to bid on them to buy back.
andyboothsi, Tuesday at 12:19 PM

I am in agreement with Rosener’s point here, but it is beside the point in this case because everyone is choosing to ignore the facts presented. Despite what the ‘optics’ might suggest, the domain name is in new hands. If that owner chooses to list names without reserve, it’s a free country. It’s a new owner and has transferred from my Godaddy account to the buyer’s Enom account. And yes, if myself or my brother can buy the domains formerly owned by me for a reasonable price, we will. Bidding activity is not related to this thread. If there’s a deal, I’m having it.
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andyboothsi, Tuesday at 2:35 PM

Namejet know the new owner and that the domains are not being sold by James or myself.
andyboothsi, Tuesday at 2:41 PM

I have sat back and read all of this, and wanted to wait a little for the dust to settle. Clearly the writing is already on the wall. I think it is time that I addressed the original issue. A mistake was made by me, not the ‘Booth bros’. Andy Booth, not James Booth.

There was a misunderstanding in terms of the status of this small handful of domains. I had thought they were already sold (we had discussed a trade value, me and Oliver do this kind of thing all the time), that once again they were free game at auction, but it later became apparent that wasn’t the case. Oliver’s intentions with the domains were only to list them on my behalf. Obviously when that came to light, I knew I had screwed up.

I have no track record of being a shill bidder. I am not in the business of pumping up or inflating a domain value. I naively wasn’t fully aware of the TOS at NJ, and given I was not technically the seller, tried to genuinely buy some of the domains back (as technically they were already transferred. Despite Whois records indicating I was still owner, they were out of my hands/control).

James’ involvement (BQDNcom) was innocent – he wasn’t in on anything. Just because we are the ‘Booth brothers’, it doesn’t mean that we always work together. James does his own thing for the most part. Sometimes we are connected, for example in the case of buying D8.com, but generally he conducts his business alone. He was obviously aware that these domains were about to be put up for sale and saw an opportunity. His intentions weren’t to inflate the values. He actually won 2 of the small handful of auctions that DID complete either for himself, or on behalf of a client. Even more disturbing, he in recent days received a death threat via his website, BQDN.com, about his Namejet bidding activity.

Oliver, thinking he was just selling for me, took it upon himself to bid on the domains that he knew had parking revenue. Those turned out to be the ones he genuinely wanted (take MovieZone as a case in point). Oli wasn’t trying to inflate any value either. His understanding at this point was that he wanted to buy the good ones and his bid was not made to pump anything up, he had every intention to follow through.

I would never knowingly have sabotaged my own reputation for something like this. There was no attempt to disguise who we were (which obviously looks beyond stupid given what was come to light) in terms of bidding handles, nor was there attempt at fraud or deception. On the domains I was bidding for, I took the view that they were no longer mine, and I had as much right as anyone to buy them back. I even won one and had every intention of following through. Again, inflating the value was never the goal. There was genuine intent there.

About my activities in other auctions, such as MGP.com, I have never made any attempt to ‘fake’ a bid. If I’m bidding, it’s because I want it.

Jonathan @NJ had a different understanding of the situation, and for that reason had defended me. There were several miscommunications during this debacle which is why it has escalated to this stage. It’s unfair to make him the scapegoat as he was only doing his job.

I was the one here at fault, but I hope you understand that is was a genuine mistake, not part of some elaborate conspiracy to defraud anyone. I hold my hands up and apologize to anyone that may have been affected in bidding for those domains. I am disappointed to have let down the domaining community and have learned a lot from what has happened.
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andyboothsi, Today at 3:53 AM

tld_org said: ↑
So your initial response in this thread was what? Certainly not this. This comes after a few days. I’d be more inclined to give benefit of the doubt if I heard this right away. Now I question if it took a few days to come up with this story or if it is genuine.
As I said, there was a misunderstanding. Only when we were both questioned by Namejet did a clear picture become apparent. Me and Oliver were on different pages. And of course now this has become my responsibility and I look foolish. This isn’t a story. It is the truth.

anantj said: ↑
I’m calling bullsh*t on your entire charade and explanation. None of you, either Oliver, Nor your brother nor you are newbies to be so unfamiliar with

a. The auction mechanics and simple fundamental premise that you don’t bid on your own domains
b. That you’re so naive that you that you’re not aware of the NJ ToS. I’m fairly new to domaining (relative to you, professionally), and and I’m fairly clear on this point – don’t bid on your own domains. Or heck, even backorder them. I actually went and removed backorders for domains that I put up for auctions on NJ that I’d won at NJ and hence had an older backorder there
c. If you have such a miscommunication between Oliver and yourself where he and you don’t know who’s selling for who and who owns the domain at the auction time, I’m seriously worried how you even manage to broker millions of dollars worth of domains
d. The common thread here seems to be that you tend to serially miscommunicate – first with Oliver Hoger, then with your brother and of course with Jonathan from NJ. You really need to come up with a better excuse. This is politician level excuse who always claim misquoting when they get caught doing something improper
f. You are right, this is not a genuine mistake. There is definite malice somewhere, whether at your end, or at Oliver Hoger’s (with NJ’s complicity).
g. If you are holding your hands up, are you also willing to reimburse those who’ve been negatively affected (I’m one of them) due to your impropriety?
I have admitted to being responsible. There’s nothing more to say. If there was anyone negatively impacted by the handful of auctions I was involved in recently, of course I would take responsibility. The majority of the auctions ended up with me or my brother winning.
andyboothsi, Today at 5:13 AM

Arca said: ↑
@andyboothsi – You brought up a lot of points that don’t make any logical sense in the broader context of your response, so it would be good if you could provide further explanation:

So Oliver was only intending to list the domains for sale on your behalf, but you won the auction and he was the second highest bidder in the auction?

And Oliver didn’t even know he bought the domain from you, which you and your brother stated in your initial explanation, and he thought he was brokering the name for you? Assuming that he thought he was brokering the names on your behalf, why did he bid against you in an auction for a domain he he was selling/brokering for you? Why bid against his own client for a domain he is selling for that client? And eventually his client (you), won your own domain in a bidding war against him.

So Oliver bid up the domains you allegedly sold to him, and you willingly bid against him in what you thought was his own auction for his own domain? And Oliver bid against you for a domain he thought he was selling for you? But you don’t think he was trying to inflate value?

In other words, you thought Oliver was the owner and seller, and you had no problem bidding against him for a domain he himself owned and listed for sale, according to you. And Oliver had no problem bidding on a domain against you that he thought he was selling for you.

This makes absolutely no sense!

And I only mentioned moviezone.com, because it was one of the most obvious examples between you and oliver.

Can you please also explain the other screenshots posted in this thread that shows seek (oliver hoger) boothcom (andy booth) and bqdncom (james booth) bidding on domains still in your whois, listed for sale by oliver? So in these auctions, the former owner (andy booth), the alleged current owner/seller (oliver hoger), and the former owner’s brother, and the current owner and seller’s friend (james booth) are bidding on the same auction, sometimes coming out as the top 1, 2, 3 bidders? You are friends with oliver and you bid against him in his own auctions for your formerly owned names? And Oliver bid against you and your brother for domains he thought he was selling for you? And your brother bid against you and his friend Oliver, on names still in your WHOIS and sold and allegedly owned by Oliver?

Please explain how this is not shilling and collusion between the three of you.
Originally the plan was for Oliver to list some names for me. Simple as that. We had a conversation that maybe he would take the chance of selling the handful of domains himself, and give me a trade value against one of his names in advance.

When they got listed for sale (despite whois being in my name, they had transferred out, it just hadn’t been updated), I had the understanding that they were no longer mine. I was bidding on them because in my mind the prices were right to buy back. James too saw an opportunity, independent of the understanding between Oliver and I.

It turns out Oliver wasn’t actually in agreement with any trade, I had jumped the gun. His understanding was that he was just going to list the domains, as was the original plan, and target only the ones he wanted. I suspect he didn’t pay much attention to who was bidding and just bid because he wanted specific names based on traffic revenue which he had known about, and saw it was at a good price. We weren’t talking or colluding during those auctions. Obviously it became a mess when we were both involved and there was a clear misunderstanding between us. By that point, this thread had been created and it was already too late. When NJ started asking us what was going on, it became apparent that I screwed up, had wrongly assumed Oli was taking the chance on them with a trade offer, and therefore had bid on my own names.

I am facing the music for that and Namejet are dealing with it.

I think that it should now be clear. There’s no one else to attack. Things get misunderstood. People make mistakes. I have said my piece. Future conversation about this from my side will be with Namejet, not on Namepros.

andyboothsi, Today at 6:05 AM

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